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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 17:26:51 GMT -5
Seattle is like, my favorite city ever:-) And I dig werewolves too, but if I was there tonight I would probably hide at the top of the space needle.
Also I am pondering the idea of making profiles for Leia's biological mother and father. They would be a witch (possibly witch/ werewolf hybrid) and a vampire/werewolf hybrid, respectively.
So, generally speaking, can one only become a vampire or werewolf by being bitten? In some lore, vampires can't procreate but werewolves can. What is the rule we are going for in the rp?
Also can one be a witch AND a vampire or werewolf, or does being bitten cancel out natural witch powers?
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Post by Bhunivelze on Sept 19, 2013 17:57:14 GMT -5
Generally, vampires have a general gift with witchcraft, nothing amazing, but still a gift.
Werewolves could procreate. And I wouldn't want vampires to be able to. Too complicated.
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Post by purplemunster94 on Sept 19, 2013 17:59:03 GMT -5
BABY VAMPIRES OF DEATH!!! ;P
I'm very excited that the game is moving again!
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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 18:10:57 GMT -5
Me too!
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Post by Marli on Sept 19, 2013 18:15:20 GMT -5
Bahaha. I'm actually in Spokane {other side of the state} but I'm close-ish. XD
Sooo I'm guessing that your trying to get this sorted out because of Leia's resilience to the supernatural?
My thought would be that both vampirism and werewolfism operate as viruses. The difference between them being that vampirism kills it's host {ie all our vamps had to die before becoming vamps}. The reason I see werewolves being able to procreate naturally but not vampires is that the vampire is actually dead. This is why he lacks a soul and this is why he cannot reproduce naturally. When the vampire died, all living tissue died {including reproductive tissue sperm/eggs/etc}. The vampire-as-virus has no use for such tissue and as such reproductive function was not restored.
Because they are dead. I don't think a vampire who was bit by a werewolf would turn into a werewolf. However, I can see a werewolf being bit, dying, and becoming a vampire. So The werewolf would have to die and become sterile. By this thought train a hybrid is possible however offspring from a hybrid is not.
By bringing in the concept of a 'soul' for our vamps {or lack there of} you bring in an element of the supernatural. Having a soul, I don't think, would allow vampire reproduction. However, I can see the possibility in this universe for a vampire to be cured. I would imagine this to be very very rare and require a very intense spell {you are essentially raising the dead} but could be feasible.... I guess. Actually, when you put it like 'raising the dead' makes me kinda not want a cure to be possible. After all, we're not talking zombies here we're talking Lazarus. True blue raise from the dead. XP
As for supernatural ability. I think it's likely there are a number of different types and strands. Witch magic is different than vampire magic and diffrent still from werewolf magic. Most witch's/supernatural's magic would be inherited but other methods could be used to gain such powers {such as my necromancer thehee}. Though ability may be inherit, it would require training to use and thus could lay latent in certain families. *shrugs*
But then this isn't my game soooo we'll wait on Tk XD
Personally, I would prefer werewolfism and vampirism to be mutually exclusive or, at least, I don't want a vampire bite to poison and kill a werewolf the way it does a human. Straight up, I don't want the threat of a bite to be as big of a threat for Luke. I like the seperation between the two races. I like that they're different. I'm not against the idea of a vampire/wolf hybrid but my thought is that maybe a wolf is more resistant to the vampire virus. Because of his supernatural ability {and maybe because the two diseases are related} maybe he could have the ability to 'flush it out of his system'. Soo like... if a wolf is bit and then immediately killed, he would become a vamp. But if he's bit and then dies a year or two later he likely wouldn't transform... If you think that's fair.
While I think that the ability to use magic is mostly genetic. I would allow for other avenues of gaining power as well. I don't see a problem with a supernatural-human retaining powers when they become a wolf or vamp but I think vampire 'magic' {vampire ability} is a slightly diffrent beast so while they might retain supernatural ability after death a vampire wouldn't magically gain the ability to do witch-stuff just because they've been bit.
Aaaaaaaaannnndddddddd I think I've thought about this too much. XD
Edit: And Tk has spoken while I was typing this behemoth. XD
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Post by purplemunster94 on Sept 19, 2013 18:23:11 GMT -5
I'm thinking of expanding Ryan's power a bit, and as it grows he can see glimpses of future incidents. It wont be whole scenes (That takes too much from the game.) But I think if he comes into contact with somebody that is going to have some big event in the near future he'll catch quick moments. Like he saw with Connie's dad, just a face. This one wont happen near as often or as clear as his seeing into the past power does.
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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 18:36:11 GMT -5
I love your explanations, Marli:-) I pretty much have the same thought process for the whole vampire/werewolf/hybrid procreation. My thought process is that if you have a vampire/wolf hybrid plus a wolf or wolf/witch or another vampire/wolf hybrid, while the vampire aspect of them could not procreate, the werewolf side could which creates a loop hole. Either that or serious magic was involved or a combination of both ideas.
And yes, one or those conditions will explain the possibility of Leia's birth. Honest I could just use the more simple reasons for her supernatural immunity, like witch magic or that she was just born that way. But more complicated is so much ,ore fun and interesting:-)
My ultimate goal for Leia, for when we get far into the game, is that her blood plus some magic could be distilled to create a cure for vampirism and/or lycanthropy.
I am also thinking of having her being categorized as a unique supernatural being called a 'Phoenix'.
Anyway those are my brainstorming ideas. This is also like, my favorite kind of rp, so it better live for a very very long time =D
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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 18:38:30 GMT -5
*highfives Munster* And yay for us expanding on our characters powers!
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Post by purplemunster94 on Sept 19, 2013 18:48:00 GMT -5
*Attempts to high five back...fails...can never give good high fives.* Yeah, I've been wanting to for awhile. Oh, and I'm alright with Leia hijacking* Ryan's power for a second. *I don't know if that's the right word.
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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 18:56:39 GMT -5
Lol it works:-) normally she can't do that kind of thing, being immune to anything supernatural, but emotion and magic was running high so I made an exception, lol. Later when her powers are more honed she'll be able to sense on sight or touch supernatural beings but piggybacking is rare if ever.
BTW, Ryan's power of visiony stuff is one of my favorites for supernatural humans:-)
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Post by atlantis on Sept 19, 2013 19:04:55 GMT -5
So, I have a question. With Celia gone, what will happen to Connie now? I mean, his father's dead. His mother lost custody over him. And now his grandmother, who was his legal guardian, is gone. So... does he get put into a foster home? Is his mother going to have custody again?
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Post by Marli on Sept 19, 2013 19:09:19 GMT -5
Hmmm.... A Pheonix Eh?
I'm not so sure about this 'wolf/vamp procreation loophole'. My thought would be that, even it's a wolf, if he gets so far as to DIE and become a vampire... he can't breed. I can think of one possible loophole {and actually, I think it opens the door to even more fun}. If a werewolf has the ability to carry the vampire virus for a certain amount of time before dying/transforming he could in theory have a brief window of time in which a weakened form of the virus was fused with his DNA beforekilling him.
I'd imagine this would be a very brief and delicate window and so to create this 'holy trinity' of sorts {wolf/vamp/witch blood} you would almost have to do it intentionally. Basically, wolf-daddy would have to be bitten by a vampire and impregnate witch-mama before dying. At this point, the vampire virus would seek to kill {because that's how it works} both mum and baby and so, perhaps, extra spells and medical attention are needed to make sure neither were nor vampirism comes to be.
But why would they do it? Why would two people potentially sacrifice themselves {because, lets face it, Dad is a souless vamp now and Mom is risking her life} to create this baby? We're there intentions good? Or evil? Leia is sort of turning into a 'pure' archetype {with blood that can bring the dead back to life no-less!} so perhaps she is a sacrifice? But for what prupose?
I mean, let's face it, your creating a 'Chosen One' which is a lot of fun but begs for more plot depth than 'Starcrossed were-pire and witch fall in love!' XD
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Post by purplemunster94 on Sept 19, 2013 19:11:10 GMT -5
My mind just exploded a little... (because your mind can possible only explode a little :/)
So Leia is awesome!
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Post by Ambassador on Sept 19, 2013 19:27:55 GMT -5
Lol Munster and Marli you guys just made me laugh for like 10 mins straight.
And Marli you stole the idea right out of my head. It was that Leia's parents knew what they were creating. Leak has the potential to be used for ultimate good or ultimate evil. My thoughts for that is that either way she would have to be sacrificed in a sort of ritual. Weather or not she would stay dead is debatable xD
And no matter what, any of these potential plans can be used to further the plot however the rest of you all want it too. That is pretty much why it is there. Also I love intense back stories that make people a brains splode.
ALSO if it benefits your plot ideas, Marli I was thinking that Leia's werewolf dad (prevampire state) would have been the one to bite Luke? That might help you get him into the story and cause fun tension.
Anyway I am going to make Leia's freak parents now, lol. After the whole Starbucks deal blows over, I will have Carrie start making trouble.
And if one was a vampire werewolf hybrid, would one be able to walk in the sun and shift at will? And is a werewolf bite fatal to a vampire?
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Post by Marli on Sept 19, 2013 19:32:00 GMT -5
My mind just exploded a little... (because your mind can possible only explode a little :/) So Leia is awesome! Anyone else think 'Mars Attack' XD Anyways. If Leia is some special conspiracy baby Luke could be involved. He's a doctor... of sorts... and well versed in strange and unusual supernatural happenings. ^_^ Plus it's a point of contact. XD
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